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Smoldering Wick
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The elders really piss me off
by butalbee inokay, so i'm there at work, working merrily along[not], when elder wart nose comes over by me, and asks me questions about this anti-jw site, that he's heard about.
i ask him, where he got his info, "he's got his resources" he says.
so, i'm like, "so fucking what?".
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Can I Introduce..'Rummy'...New Poster
by ISP inyes, i would like to introduce a long standing friend of mine who has stopped attending meetings.
he missed out on education opportunities because he pioneered at 16. he stopped when he was 24. by then it had taken its toll.
it had cost him his marriage.. isp
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Smoldering Wick
Man, I did this all wrong...coming in here anonymously and looking for my brother. I should have found my brother first and let him introduce me!
**Jumping on Rummy's Welcome Wagon**
Well...since I've only been on this board a few days the only advice I can give is...embrace the diversity and thank God for the freedom. Oh yeah...and don't forget to laugh, it heals the heart.
LOVE YOU!
PS, I'm inactive too...baptized @9 started pioneering @14 left @33
and didn't get to go to college either *whaaaa*[email protected] (write me)
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Disfellowshipped playing BINGO!!
by kpax ini heard the strangest thing today.
in the 70's you could be df'd by playing bingo.
kpax
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Smoldering Wick
I'm not sure if what I read on Bingo in the Watchtower leads me to believe someone would be disfellowshipped for it. However, it is strongly disapproved of. Bingo is considered gambling by the WTBTS and thier comment on that was "Gambling in any form appeals to one of the worst qualities in humans-greed. God's inspired Word flatly states that greedy persons will not inherit God's Kingdom." So, if any elders were power hungry (as if lol) in the 70's I'm sure there were people disfellowshipped for it.
btw...B*I*N*G*O* "she yells"
Here's some references from the WT:
*w55 3/15 167 - Religious organizations that finance themselves by gambling ...**Religious organizations that finance themselves by gambling devices such as bingo furnish another example of having a form of godliness but proving false to its power. For material gain they encourage laziness and dishonesty in their members and strengthen the power of underworld racketeers and corrupt government officials. Proof for all this was strikingly presented in the article "Is Bingo Getting Too Big?" in Collier's, December 10, 1954.
*w50 6/15 181 - 13 Worldlings may think that Jehovah's witnesses are as poor...
**13 Worldlings may think that Jehovah's witnesses are as poorly equipped for ministerial service as soldiers armed with torches and pitchers and horns would be for carnal war. They are not equipped with the orthodox religious teaching, nor armed with a diploma from some theological seminary. They do not use orthodox methods, such as sitting back in church buildings waiting for a congregation to come to them, or reviewing worldly books and prattling politics or supplanting the Bible with creed and ritual, or sponsoring church socials and bingo gambling.
*w52 5/1 282 - How different from the foregoing are the ways of apostate Ch...
**How different from the foregoing are the ways of apostate Christendom! Its religious organizations are willing to give allegiance to the world's worst criminals, such as Hitler and Mussolini were, in exchange for financial support. They encourage greed among their members by operating bingo games, lotteries and other games of chance, appealing to the selfish inclination to want to get something for nothing.
*w52 2/1 83 - For a Christian to enter the interfaith fold would mean he m...
**For a Christian to enter the interfaith fold would mean he must tolerate pagan teachings under a Christian label, tolerate the tenet of a three-in-one God, tolerate claims that God fiendishly tortures souls in fiery lakes, tolerate the blasphemy that for money God will release suffering souls from a flaming purgatory, tolerate bingo gambling, tolerate the view that Jesus was not Messiah but an impostor, tolerate the devilish doctrine of evolution, tolerate clerical hypocrisy and political meddling, tolerate religious warmongering and chaplain-blessing of Christian killing Christian-and so on and on would flow an endless stream of blasphemies that the Christian would have to tolerate in silence. He would have to wink at sin, shut eyes to wrong, plug ears to blasphemy, make his tongue dumb to silently tolerate evil.
*w57 4/15 242 - The use of bingo, raffles and other gambling methods is cont...
**The use of bingo, raffles and other gambling methods is contrary to the Bible rule for Christians: "We have renounced the underhanded things of which to be ashamed." When the Israelites began sacrificing to some of the pagan deities of gambling, God told them: "Ye that forsake Jehovah, . . . that prepare a table for Fortune, and that fill up mingled wine unto Destiny; I will destine you to the sword."-2 Cor. 4:2, NW; Isa. 65:11, 12, AS.
*w60 5/1 265 - From the time the Watch Tower Society was formed in 1884 it ...
**From the time the Watch Tower Society was formed in 1884 it has never solicited money. Raffles, bingo and other fund-raising programs so commonly used by church groups have never been employed by the Watch Tower Society.
*w61 9/1 516 - You may have a husband that is an alcoholic or a wife that t...
**You may have a husband that is an alcoholic or a wife that throws away your hard-earned money in bingo games. Neither of these conditions makes for happy living. But what sense is there in permitting such things to fog the windows of your mind with bitter hate and disgust for life?
*w79 3/15 23 - What about Church-sponsored bingo games? If these are mere r...
**What about Church-sponsored bingo games? If these are mere recreation as the Church claims, then why the need for large "jackpots," some reportedly worth $1,500 (U.S.)? New York priest William Bradley admitted: "We shouldn't be in bingo-except that we have to pay the bills, subsidize the schools."
Whether the Church authorities are willing to label bingo as gambling or not, the 1976 report from the Commission of Review of the National Policy toward Gambling stated that "charitable bingo . . . is operated, however, like a commercial [gambling] operation . . . and the commission recommends, for regulatory purposes, no distinction be made."
God-fearing persons realize that all forms of gambling build greed and that "greedy graspers for more" and "swindlers" will "not have a share in the kingdom of God."-1 Cor. 6:10, "Williams" translation.
*w88 12/15 7 - A Roman Catholic parish recently became the first religious ...
**A Roman Catholic parish recently became the first religious institution in Wisconsin, U.S.A., to apply for a permit to sell lottery tickets, reports The Sheboygan Press. While the sales are described as an effort to "augment" weekly collections, the Press notes that the main reason behind the proposed selling of lottery tickets "is to increase attendance at its bingo games." The church is reported already to be operating bingo games with profits that "range from $800 to $1,000" nightly.
When asked if gambling is really sinful, parish priest Robert Fleishman replied: "I don't know." While conceding that the church's promotion of bingo or the sale of lottery tickets "is perhaps a little out of context with our overall spiritual calling," he added that "if they don't come here, they'll go elsewhere" to spend their money.
Should a religious leader who claims to be a follower of Christ promote gambling? Hardly! Gambling in any form appeals to one of the worst qualities in humans-greed. Those who promote it encourage people to believe that it is right to profit from the losses of others. Yet, God's inspired Word flatly states that greedy persons will not inherit God's Kingdom.-1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; Ephesians 4:19; 5:3.
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Announcing the Great Apostate Song Contest.
by Mindchild ininspired by district overbeer valis and his smurf sticker contest, i decided to up the ante and announce a song contest for all you so inclined to play.. what i have in mind is this: take any recorded song you like, even the dreaded jw kingdom songs, and redub them to something much more fun!.
if you have a cool bastardized song (well that is what valis says it is called when you do this) then we can try it out at some of the apostofests that seem to be popping up like crazy all over!.
what do you win?
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Smoldering Wick
OK MC, I'll bite lol ... here's my first attempt ever @ "bastardizing" a song.
Knock Three Times ( Original by: Tony Orlando and Dawn )
Hey girl what ya doin' down there
Readin' the net every night while I live right above you?
I see your 'postate leanin'
I feel your gonna be leavin'
One floor below me, an elder you know me
I judge youOh, my darling
Knock three times on the ceiling if you'll meet me
Twice on the pipe if the answer is no
Oh, my sweetness
Means you'll meet me in the K-hall
Mmm, twice on the pipe means you ain't gonna showIf you miss your meeting tonight
I'll be on stage with a letter that says you're through.
Reading how many times I saw you
On your computer researching
And only in your dreams will I ever again speak to you.Oh, my darling
Knock three times on the ceiling if you'll meet me
Twice on the pipe if the answer is no
Oh, my sweetness
Means you'll meet me in the K-hall
Twice on the pipe means you ain't gonna show[break]
Reading how many times I saw you
On your computer researching
And only in your dreams will I ever again speak to you.Oh, my darling
Knock three times on the ceiling if you'll meet me
Twice on the pipe if the answer is no
Oh, my sweetness
Means you'll meet me in the K-hall
Mmm, twice on the pipe means you ain't gonna showTo hear the music and read the real lyrics:
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Fire And Ice
by larc inhow will the world end?
here is robert frost's opinion in his poem, fire and ice.. some say the world will end in fire,.
some say in ice.. from what i've known of desire.
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Smoldering Wick
I dunno...but, all these Frost & Ice references are making my wick cold.
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Hours it Takes to Get One Baptized Publisher
by Smoldering Wick inmarlon.
location: wales uk.
just a thought a quick calculation in 2001 it took around 4,438 hours to get one baptised publisher.
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Smoldering Wick
marlon
Location: Wales uk
Just a thought a quick calculation in 2001 it took around 4,438 hours to get one baptised publisher.l hope those figures are right, l will check them again later.
in 1969 it was about 2000 hours-that means it is now taking about double the number of man hours (preaching & teaching hours) than it did in 1969.
I saw that post while browsing through:
http://www.purelanguage.net/forums/showthread.php?s=b002bc5bfb658d3270409d01d60cafeb&threadid=949Can you imagine it taking 4,438 hours to get one convert? ...and that's with the "new arrangement" of not studying with Bible Studies for 10 years!!!
If the society paid these poor brothers and sisters minimum wage to do their grunt work...each convert would cost them $22,855.70! Not to mention all the gas mileage and food expenses!
No wonder they didn't want us bright young people going off to college and getting real paying jobs.
I personally spent a minimum of a thousand hours a year working for the society. What did I get for all my time, effort and hard work?
See below:
Sad thing was...I wasn't to show off my souvenir to anyone even though it cost me $5,150 a year to get it plus gas & expenses of course! *sigh*
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new one!!!
by qadreena inhi, im angel, an ex like many others on here i gather.
ill be on regularly so speak to you all soon.
xxx angel xxx
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Smoldering Wick
Welcome Angel!
....looking forward to it! *smiles*
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New member
by aprostate inwell heres my story and i'm sticking to it :).
my grandmother became a witness when my mom was a teenager.
my mom became one when i was 4. that would be in 1954. i remember going to the international convention in ny at the yankee stadium and polo grounds.
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Smoldering Wick
Welcome to JWD from one Newbie (oops i'm a Junior now!) to another ;).
Hope to hear from you soon!!!
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Underage Membership - Legal Defense Against DF
by obiefernandez inthis topic was inspired by the can you sue the watchtower... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=21122&site=3.
it appears that the legal defense of the society is based on voluntary association, and based on that membership a person is by law subject to the eclessiastical tribunals (judicial committees) of jehovah's witnesses.
it immediately brings to mind the fact that many of us began association or were baptized while still minors.
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Smoldering Wick
I was baptized @ age 9.
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Do JW's Support & Shield Pedophiles?
by silentlambs ini had a conversation with a friend in the "know" today.
it brings ever clearer the dysfunction of jehovah's witnesses and how they treat child molesters.
in my local congregation the individual who admitted molesting children seems to be held in high esteem.
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Smoldering Wick
On a recent visit (this week), my older JW sister discusses with me how our dad (rest his soul) a congregation servant (elder) was a pedophile. She was the victim of his sexual advances up until the age of eight. (he lost interest?) ...and how the elders merely "councelled" him.
What I didn't get to mention to her (I will soon)is that after my dad's death...my mom married another pedophile JW...and guess what? All the rest of my brothers and sisters had grown up.
So there I was...held hostage in our house, forcibly sitting on his lap...while my mom, my middle sister & some local police were outside our locked house trying to coax him into letting me go. After he finally gave up...the police started asking me questions like "Where did he touch you" "Did he touch you 'down there'?" I remember my mom interupting them and saying "She'll be all right, we'll take care of her." Mom? Like you took care of my sister?
Years later, I found out that my brothers had 'done things' to my middle sister. One of those brothers became a fine example in the congregation...even going on elderdom. (For those of you who read my 2nd post..it's not the brother that posts here...whom btw hasn't responded!)
Well to make a long story of pedophilia even longer...about 2 years ago my husband (baptized in 1974) reveals to me that his older JW cousin (a MS) had molested him when he was young.
OK, I may be wrong here...but, everyone involved were not only part of my family but, they were all JWs.
Is this normal?
When does it stop?